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p48h93h438's avatar

I understand how someone can promote IRV when they're not aware of center squeeze, but I cannot understand why they would be so stubbornly persistent in promoting IRV even after understanding its biggest flaws.

The FairVote crowd have really lost the plot, and are just harming their own cause at this point, continually pushing a broken voting system that doesn't actually fix the things they claim to want to fix, and that's getting banned in more places than it gets adopted.

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Robert Bristow-Johnson's avatar

We need to remember that, in order to value our votes equally, that Single-Winner, Multi-Winner, and Apportionment of Delegates (Presidential primary) are very different problems.

1. Single-Winner: There is no proportionality to be had with a single winner. It's winner-take-all. So then, the *only* way to value our votes equally is Majority Rule. And Condorcet RCV respects Majority Rule in elections where Hare RCV does not. Condorcet is clearly better at respecting Majority Rule and the equality of our votes.

2. Multi-Winner: Now proportionality comes into the equation and then something like the Weighted-Inclusive Gregory Method (PR STV) might be the method that best reflects apportioning multiple seats in a single legislative district. This, of course, has quota, surplus votes that get transferred, and *then* a Hare-ish elimination of candidates.

3. Apportionment of state delegates to the DNC or RNC: This is a solved mathematical problem and it's used to apportion 435 U.S. House Representatives to the 50 states. Same math, and that method should be used to apportion a known number of delegates to candidates, based on the number of votes that each candidate gets.

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